I'm a nevabinadub, and I've never read any of his books. I just wouldn't try to coerce anyone into reading a book I hadn't bothered to read myself.
Black Sheep
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Combatting cult mind control by steven hassan
by goddidit inso i've been hearing a lot of good things about this book.
apparently, some of its readers were actual believing jws and it deprogrammed them.. i'm curious why they read it in the first place though, since jws are discouraged from reading anything outside their own literature.. i know a recent convert who i'd like to help.
i could buy him the book.
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Faders shunned now?
by Sammy Jenkis inhi all so my family had their c.a.
last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.
apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .
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Black Sheep
If you want to have any sort of half decent relationship with your fully indoctrinated family members after you leave a cult, you have to be the last to leave. If you are prepared to put up with a dysfunctional relationship, fade. They get their cult mentality from their cult leaders. The questions they ask you are rote cult questions. You have to stop playing the cult's game. Stop giving it's members the answers they expect. Stop triggering cult responses. If the litteratrash warned against listening to what you are about to say, don't say it. Get clever. Remember every warning the cult ever gave about apostates and the 'tricks' they use and use those warnings to your advantage instead of throwing yourself at the wall they have provided to protect your family from you.
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Combatting cult mind control by steven hassan
by goddidit inso i've been hearing a lot of good things about this book.
apparently, some of its readers were actual believing jws and it deprogrammed them.. i'm curious why they read it in the first place though, since jws are discouraged from reading anything outside their own literature.. i know a recent convert who i'd like to help.
i could buy him the book.
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Black Sheep
Read it yourself, then ask yourself the question.
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16GB and growing... Would you like to have all the WT literature?
by ILoveTTATT indid you know you can actually download all of the wt literature?
not only that, but books that help discredit the wt, such as de cruce justus lipsus.... it would be useful to confirm it if you have any doubts that any quotes actually appeared in wt literature.
the nice part about the website is that it is a formal website hosted in the library of alexandria... so you can be sure this is legitimate material.. i have checked many of the old books by comparing them to pictures of old books in the kh and yes, they are legit.. who wants the link?.
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Black Sheep
It isn't "all" and it isn't new, but it is growing.
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Do you have any "one-liners" for drive-by witnessing?
by Faithful Witness ini am looking for things i can say in passing, when i meet some of my jw friends.
we used to attend meetings, but have not been officially recognized yet, as apostates.
we were good and curious students, but fell away and were choked out by weeds.. since i will be renewing my bible student status soon, i am hoping this will open more windows into the organization.
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Black Sheep
The questions you are liking are ones that you feel are important.
You need questions that they feel are important ... and that you already know the official answer/non-answer for and how to deal with that.
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The door bell rang today
by ABibleStudent injust before i started undressing to take a shower to go to an appointment, the door bell rang.
i thought about not answering the door, but then thought what the hell it could be my neighbor, who is a widow and in her 70's, needing some help.. at the door was a frail man about 85+ years old dressed in a shabby sport coat, shirt, tie, and slacks, and a skinny woman about 75+ years old in a long dress that needed to be ironed.
as i grabbed my dog to prevent him from jumping at the screen door, which was partially open, and beating the couple with his tail and making them fall, i thought what am i going to do.
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Black Sheep
Why should the children of their converts suffer while they get off scott free?
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Faders shunned now?
by Sammy Jenkis inhi all so my family had their c.a.
last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.
apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .
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Black Sheep
Apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.
Why the vomit reference?
If you want to fade .... keep your trap shut and just fade. If you tell her why you are fading .... your chances of being shunned go through the roof.
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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions
by breakfast of champions inso these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.
she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.
good for her!.
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Black Sheep
Don't let a JW decide the subject unless they have put their foot in it and given you one that you wanted.
Generally, the subject you should be discussing is the one they have just used a distraction tactic to avoid.
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Do you detect an underlying sadness ?
by Phizzy inwhenever i talk to jw's, and even in some of the jw official videos, i detect a definite vibe of sadness coming off these people.. i am very sensitive to "atmospheres" and to peoples emotional state, you wouldn't think so, because more often than not i do not react to what i detect, i just let people get on with it.. but i do get this feeling that they are sad, probably because very, very, very deep down they realise that it is all false, maybe ?.
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Black Sheep
After the funeral for the spouse that they were promised they would live forever with they have to deal with the damage from the doctrine that says that, even if they, themselves, make it through the GT, their partner is to remain celebate and the promise for them is eternity without each other.
Constant parroting of how nice it will be when they are resurrected is hiding their trauma of knowing that even a quick fondle with their loved one will be forever seen as a sin by their stroppy little god. Their promised 'reward' is more like a punishment, they know they are getting closer to their funerals, and every day is Groundhog Day, with Paradise no closer than it was yesterday.
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Was I too harsh?
by chrisuk inhello, first let me apologixe for both my spelling and my grammer in advance, both are not my strong points.. i'll keep this short.
since i've been a child my mother has studied on and off with jw's ( i'm now 34) so i've been around it most of my life, i studied on and off myself for around 10 years.
thank's to this site and jwfacts i'll never study or step foot inside a kingdom hall again.
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Black Sheep
If you want him to leave you alone, ask a question that he doesn't have a sensible answer for, then refuse to let him weasel his way out of giving you an answer. Make him feel guilty for every trick he uses to fool you.
If he ever tries to talk about a different Bible subject, inform him that he hasn't answered your original question and you want to know why .... right now .... plus you still want it answered .... now would be a good time.